E. Jean Carroll reveals 'the key' to 'beating the most powerful man on earth twice'



Author E. Jean Carroll — who won two civil judgments against President Donald Trump in 2023 and 2024 — recently spoke in detail about her experience facing down Trump in court and emerging victorious.

During a Tuesday segment on MSNBC's "Deadline: White House," Carroll argued to host Nicolle Wallace that even though Trump is a second-term president unencumbered by financial concerns or term limits, he's still beatable if the American public has the willpower. The octogenarian writer who won a $5 million sexual abuse judgment and a separate $83.3 million defamation judgment against Trump said that while she still hasn't received any money due to the president appealing the judgments to the Supreme Court, the odds are stacked against him.

"He will go to the Supreme Court. They probably won't hear it," Carroll said. "He keeps losing, Nicolle. And that is why he'll have to, in the end, give me the money and then I can give it to help bind up the wounds of all this democracy he's destroying."

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As the New York Times reported, Carroll's combined judgments are now approximately $100 million due to compounding interest imposed by New York statute. When Wallace pointed out to her that two other women had gone against Trump and lost (a reference to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former Vice President Kamala Harris), Carroll stood alone as a woman who had gone against Trump and prevailed. The former Elle columnist said that "the key" to "beating the most powerful man on earth twice" was simple: By targeting his wealth and his desire for attention.

"He loves money. And he loves to be popular," she said. "We have the controls over here. All we have to do is lift his wallet ... If we all get together, we can scare him and make him behave. Because we control the purse strings. We really do."

Carroll also alluded to last weekend's "No Kings" protests — which Axios reports were attended by roughly five million people — as a major indicator that the American people have the edge over Trump. She urged Americans to "stand up, get off our lazy a---s and go outside."

"We're all in our houses being entertained on our phones," Carroll said. "It's no excuse. I am an old woman. I beat Donald Trump. I am old, I am shriveled. I only weigh 107 pounds. I'm not particularly smart — I'm not! But what I am is energetic. I think that's what it takes."

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